The more we police women, the less they’ll listen. I had women go back to the BDSM scene after being interrogated about their clothes/makeup and seeing the way I was treated. Matriarchies adorn themselves wearing lots of makeup and bright colours, so the issue is male power, not the urge to adorn. Tackle the predominant male powers and aesthetics will change as a result anyway, society being a complex adaptive system and all that.
Idk….females dress the way they want….you seem more obsessed with the high heels and a 1940s time. I had 300 employees in my software company, with 45% female, females dressed the way they felt comfortable and for sure was not high heels. TV news/sports commentators is NOT the real world. Because a female wants to wear heels, etc doesn’t mean they are a slave to males. Many lesbian women dress with heels, especially on their wedding day!
Women only spaces is NOT a left or right issue. Only reason gets put more on the right is because of biased left media. FYI the bias left media ignores or fakes about many more than women spaces! You might only being noticing now.
This is an excellent essay that exhaustively discusses the subject.
Unfortunately, very few women will ever take the time to read anything this long and detailed, even if they do run across it.
Can someone please condense this down to a much shorter version that summarizes why women should stop trying to "dress for success" and instead dress in ways that make them comfortable without adhering to current standards of "femininity"?
I agree with you, in the best of worlds sense. However, a couple things come to mind. In the late 60s and 70s the way we dressed and looked in general is the way lesbians found one another. Today, I wonder if straight women are afraid of being called lesbians if they dress and look the way most of us do, and also if they'll not appeal to men. Also, I'm wondering what you say to someone like Kellie-Jay. I'm not sure she'd like it much to be thought of as being in a lesser stage of development (as Sheila says in the film). Also, there are so may lesbians who don't do femininity but are anything but feminists.
When it comes to the complexities of human behavior, there will always be exceptions to any generalizations that are made about the behavior of individuals in a particular group or class. Those exceptions do not invalidate the general observation being made.
What "trans positions" are you referring to that are "no less Valid"? That individuals with female bodies (girls and women!) are not entitled to privacy, dignity and a feeling of safety when attending to intimate bodily functions in changing rooms and restrooms by not having people with male bodies present, surveilling them, and exposing their male genitalia in such spaces? Valid is a weasel word as you are using it. What do you mean by it?
Yes, there probably have always been males who are not comfortable trying to conform to the cultural prescriptions for how males should behave in particular cultures, but there is no evidence that such males were considered to be females and permitted to be a part of female rituals, everyday tasks or the same-sex socializing that females engaged in. And even if there has been such a culture, that does not mean that we have to adopt such a stance in our culture!
At most, in some cultures such males were considered to be part of a third class, with its own accepted social roles. From what we know, that social role typically included being sexually penetrated by other males, as is the case with the Muxes of Mexico: https://nhm.org/stories/beyond-gender-indigenous-perspectives-muxe
Males who demand to be permitted in women's single-sex spaces or athletic competitions or beauty pageants, for that matter, are not "fighting the same enemy". If the enemy is patriarchy ( "a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it), then the men who consider themselves to be women and demand access to women's spaces and competitions are yet another exercise of power by men (males!) over women (females!).
They insist on finding vulnerable victims they can feed the rage machines with (yes, helping the Nazis breach the gates) and since women and gays started becoming less vulnerable, they had to cast their nets wider to other pre vulnerable people. Trans people are now in their firing line.
Wow. Thank you SO much for ASSURING ME that I want YOU on the line IN FRONT of me. I'm SO RELIEVED to know where I am to stand and exactly WHAT MY POSITION IS. You've made that VERY CLEAR.
Mansplaining at its best, isn't it? Men know better than women what we women need and what we women should do to advance our goals. Especially those men who feel like they are women.
I could try to reduce it and make it into a few short things
The more we police women, the less they’ll listen. I had women go back to the BDSM scene after being interrogated about their clothes/makeup and seeing the way I was treated. Matriarchies adorn themselves wearing lots of makeup and bright colours, so the issue is male power, not the urge to adorn. Tackle the predominant male powers and aesthetics will change as a result anyway, society being a complex adaptive system and all that.
Idk….females dress the way they want….you seem more obsessed with the high heels and a 1940s time. I had 300 employees in my software company, with 45% female, females dressed the way they felt comfortable and for sure was not high heels. TV news/sports commentators is NOT the real world. Because a female wants to wear heels, etc doesn’t mean they are a slave to males. Many lesbian women dress with heels, especially on their wedding day!
Women only spaces is NOT a left or right issue. Only reason gets put more on the right is because of biased left media. FYI the bias left media ignores or fakes about many more than women spaces! You might only being noticing now.
What? I get the part about the heels, but the rest???
This is an excellent essay that exhaustively discusses the subject.
Unfortunately, very few women will ever take the time to read anything this long and detailed, even if they do run across it.
Can someone please condense this down to a much shorter version that summarizes why women should stop trying to "dress for success" and instead dress in ways that make them comfortable without adhering to current standards of "femininity"?
I agree with you, in the best of worlds sense. However, a couple things come to mind. In the late 60s and 70s the way we dressed and looked in general is the way lesbians found one another. Today, I wonder if straight women are afraid of being called lesbians if they dress and look the way most of us do, and also if they'll not appeal to men. Also, I'm wondering what you say to someone like Kellie-Jay. I'm not sure she'd like it much to be thought of as being in a lesser stage of development (as Sheila says in the film). Also, there are so may lesbians who don't do femininity but are anything but feminists.
When it comes to the complexities of human behavior, there will always be exceptions to any generalizations that are made about the behavior of individuals in a particular group or class. Those exceptions do not invalidate the general observation being made.
You seem to hate both.
What "trans positions" are you referring to that are "no less Valid"? That individuals with female bodies (girls and women!) are not entitled to privacy, dignity and a feeling of safety when attending to intimate bodily functions in changing rooms and restrooms by not having people with male bodies present, surveilling them, and exposing their male genitalia in such spaces? Valid is a weasel word as you are using it. What do you mean by it?
Yes, there probably have always been males who are not comfortable trying to conform to the cultural prescriptions for how males should behave in particular cultures, but there is no evidence that such males were considered to be females and permitted to be a part of female rituals, everyday tasks or the same-sex socializing that females engaged in. And even if there has been such a culture, that does not mean that we have to adopt such a stance in our culture!
At most, in some cultures such males were considered to be part of a third class, with its own accepted social roles. From what we know, that social role typically included being sexually penetrated by other males, as is the case with the Muxes of Mexico: https://nhm.org/stories/beyond-gender-indigenous-perspectives-muxe
Males who demand to be permitted in women's single-sex spaces or athletic competitions or beauty pageants, for that matter, are not "fighting the same enemy". If the enemy is patriarchy ( "a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it), then the men who consider themselves to be women and demand access to women's spaces and competitions are yet another exercise of power by men (males!) over women (females!).
How often do they not have that? Especially Around men who disrespect their boundaries? Show us the numbers.
They insist on finding vulnerable victims they can feed the rage machines with (yes, helping the Nazis breach the gates) and since women and gays started becoming less vulnerable, they had to cast their nets wider to other pre vulnerable people. Trans people are now in their firing line.
Read the comment I replied to. I’m quite skilled with my pronouns.
Wow. Thank you SO much for ASSURING ME that I want YOU on the line IN FRONT of me. I'm SO RELIEVED to know where I am to stand and exactly WHAT MY POSITION IS. You've made that VERY CLEAR.
Mansplaining at its best, isn't it? Men know better than women what we women need and what we women should do to advance our goals. Especially those men who feel like they are women.